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The Complete Transcript of the Interview
Ashalatha: Loved ones, we all have lots of wishes, dreams and expectations. This is our approach towards life. But when what we expect does not take place, the result is disappointment, grief, sadness, leading to blaming our fate and various such expression of sadness. A few, from their experience, even interpret life as Grief. However, a human birth itself is due to good fortune – ‘Sowbhagya.’ We are fortunate enough to have this life and it is to be lived not just for us but also for others. The happiness and grief, hope and disappointment that we see around are transitory and, therefore, it is that the people who lead a spiritual life are able to see everything with equanimity or “SamaBhava.” Like the Tamil saying “Thalaikavame ella thanthazhchernadar kallal manakavalai matral aruth.”
Dear listeners, today we have come with a big gift for you !
Today’s guest is a prominent spiritual personality. He is a luminary among the Yogis of the present day. Here is the Living Yogi, Sri M – whom India can proudly present to the world. Sir M recently concluded The Walk of Hope, a 7500 km journey on foot from Kanyakumari to Kashmir. “Human beings are essentially one, amidst all the difference that exists” is the message by Sri M, who is being interviewed by Salin Mankuzhy today in Hello Joy Alukkas.
Salin Mankuzhy: First of all, the entire length of India was explored on foot (by you) and, along with this a message of Hope was conveyed every day, during the Walk. Was this Walk a process for Sri M to convey this message or were you walking in order to assimilate various experiences & knowledge from others?
Sri M: It was a bit of both. It can be considered a symbiotic process because the message that I am walking and propagating is the message of “ManavEkta” or the Oneness of Humanity. Whatever be your caste, your religion, as stated by great beings like Narayana Guru Swami, nan just needs to focus on improving himself. Then we can all live together (harmoniously), despite our differences. This is the idea that I am spreading. Also, by visiting a place on foot, we can understand a lot of things, which we were unaware of before. This was a big learning experience for us – for my fellow walkers (Padayatris) who came with me and I. We usually depend on standard descriptions and media reports that “this community is like this, that place is like this” etc and when we go there, first-hand things may be different. This was the biggest learning experience for me. When we visited places which where problematic before – the people there were fed up of the issues there and were looking for change. They would be asking “Can’t we move forward, forgetting all this?”
Salin Mankuzhy: Is it so?
Sri M: Yes, this has happened – this was a huge learning experience as we walked 7500 km from Kanyakumari to Kashmir. In Kashmir, we reached on a Friday. After Friday prayers, we walked. 450 of us walked through the roads. We were not stoned. (laughing) I was expecting maybe one or two stones but it didn’t happen. This was our learning experience—everything is our interpretation.
Salin Mankuzhy: Is the present communal situation in India conducive for an Acharya (a Master) to just walk into the places of worship and residence of all religious groups ?
Sri M: I walked.
Salin Mankuzhy: You walked..but can all ?. Can others continue this?
Sri M:That I cannot say….. . But I did walk. The Padayatris who were with me share this experience. We went to all religious places – be it the Gurudwara, the Dargah, the Mazjid, the Temple, the Church etc. The Parsis usually won’t allow any other person inside their religious place, the Fire Temple. No one else is allowed there. However, in Delhi, we were taken to the Fire temple. If, with an open mind, without any vested interest, some one is walking, and if people are convinced about this, then all doors will be open. That is my belief.
Salin Mankuzhy: Is Walk a medium for you? I mean, when we have vehicles etc, why this walking?
Sri M:Walk is a Medium, a means. It is not that we don’t have a vehicle. Even when there is a vehicle, to walk to a place is a gesture. Walking such a long distance is a gesture. From the perspective of a common man, walking along with them is a concept. Even a common man has motor cycle or cycle now a days. When we walk, our foot touches the earth; but while travelling in a vehicle, we do so without touching the earth. There is huge psychological difference between the two. The people who walk get to know this difference. When we walk, we feel lots of energy, even if we are walking with our slippers on. Hence, it is a medium.
Salin Mankuzhy: All religions show the way to Spirituality…..
Sri M: Yes.
Salin Mankuzhy: If so, what is the importance of a GURU? The search for a Guru is constant and continuous nowadays. The Number of Gurus are also increasing every day, as is the search..
Sri M: It is supply /demand. (laughter)
Salin Mankuzhy: Yes, the increase in number of Gurus. Can this be taken as an indicator in the increased spiritual purity of human beings?
Sri M: In order to assess that, we have to first consider how the Guru is, before making such statements. We cannot say we don’t know. If there is a duplicate out there, there has to be an original somewhere. Only out of an original, can a duplicate be made. To differentiate between a duplicate and an original can be difficult. There are some criteria for this. First, when you go to a Guru or a Sheik or a Murshid in Sufi parlance – don’t immediately fall at his feet and say, “Yes,this my Guru”. Such attitude is dangerous in the present time. Who knows one may be saying so on account of the Gurus’ good looks. (laughter). For this (in order to differentiate), follow and observe the Guru for a time, live with him for a period of time, this is the old method. When you live with him, you will observe how he is behaving in all conditions and circumstances. Don’t jump to conclusions by just seeing his behaviour on the stage. Sitting there and smiling is easy. However, we don’t know how he behaves say with his cook or driver at home. From outside, we may see him as very calm and collected. What we may fail to know is how he is inside, in actuality. If he is truly developed spiritually, he will be equanimous always – then there won’t be a problem. To understand all this, we have to be with the Guru for a few days. Second criteria is, during this time we will also get to know if he is there to give something to us or is he busy looking at our cheque book. Is he saying one story on the outside and living another story inside? Then only we should decide. Also, there is another thing: Some Guru may be suitable for me and the same person may not be suitable for someone else. Hence, I am against mass spiritual teaching. Prescribing the same formula to all and hoping that all will reach there – it is not going to work, as all are different individually. So, there are some such criteria for you to consider.
Salin Mankuzhy :Is the Guru a signboard to a goal, or is the Guru the goal itself?
Sri M:No, no, it is not. This must not be mistaken. A Guru is a guide. He is NOT the goal. Though, both start with ‘G.’ Hence Guru is a guide, not the goal. This is where the mistake happens. For example, “If I am standing outside and some one comes and ask me how to reach Palayam market.” In some situation, it happens that even though we don’t know where Palayam market is, we in order to send off to this fellow, give him some directions – there is a section (of people) like that – anyway, let that be so. “But suppose, I know the way and guide suggesting him to go left, then go straight and there comes the circle and turn left and you will reach the Palayam market.” If the person indeed wants to go to Palayam market (reach the goal), then he has to start walking on the stated route, but instead if he just stands there and puts a garland on my neck doing Arathi, how will he reach the Palayam market? If he says, “This is a Great Guru as he has ‘taught’ me the way to the Palayam.” Will he reach there? No, he won’t reach (his destination). A Guru’s function is this – to show the way. But the person himself must walk that path. There is no other way. At the same time, you ask if there is a need of a Guru? Most people need a Guru, as it is an unexplored territory. Taking his guidance is needed. Only a person who had gone that way earlier will know the challenges on the way – where are the pitfalls, which way to navigate etc. Hence, a Guru is required.
Salin Mankuzhy: So if someone is standing here, it’s only if he knows the place very well that he will be able to give clear instruction to another person easily?
Sri M:Only if he knows, he can guide.
Salin Mankuzhy: A Guru in that way, will he be able to ….?
Sri M: Yes
Salin Mankuzhy: Is an answer to such spiritual questions easy? Can a Guru give answers in spiritual matters with clarity?
Sri M: No, it is not that easy, because in this subject (spiritual matters), a concrete answer is not possible.
Salin Mankuzhy: Is there no concrete answer to it?
Sri M: Yes, and also every one pursues it differently – there is not just a single path. There is no path at all. If I am standing here and want to go there – we can go this way or I can go around and reach there, right? But suppose, if the thing that I am searching for is “Here,” then how to reach it? How to walk towards it? So, how much ever we search, we won’t be able to reach it. Yes, but it’s possible that maybe when all this searching stops, the reaching may just happen. Here itself. Hence, normally, it is not like reaching a ordinary chair which is kept there. There is difference. Each of us can approach it (the Truth) differently, according to our capacity – it cannot be arrived like a Big Bang or so.
Salin Mankuzhy: Another thing, in all religions, the outward paraphernalia/ demonstrativeness in worship is more. We can know them from their external trappings, outfits and looks etc……..
Sri M: Yes,yes.
Salin Mankuzhy: From dressing style, we can know the religion.
Sri M: Yes.
Salin Mankuzhy: We come to know the Gurus from their dressing.
Sri M: No need to know any such thing.
Salin Mankuzhy: We recognise them from their dressing. By all this outwards dressing, waysetc, is there any relation with spirituality? Is this real spirituality? By this, can one enjoy the peace that someone gets from spirituality? Can they reach their destination by the demonstrativeness aspect?
Sri M: No. Certain people who reached there used certain kind of dressing. Now just by dressing, we might think that we have reached that state.
Salin Mankuzhy: Yes.
Sri M: The people who reached ‘there’ could have used that dressing style then, depending on the (cultural) context etc. But they did not reach that state because they used that way of dressing. It is incidental.
Salin Mankuzhy: Yes.
Sri M: I will say something;Jallaluddin Rumi is great Sufi – founder of the Whirling Dervishes and Maulavi order in Turkey. He has written Masnavi—a beautiful poetic work in the Persian language. He had a personal habit or an idiosyncrasy – he used to sit in a Turkish bath, the hot water bath. It’s a big box with steam and one can sit immersed till the neck, like in Ayurveda. Now people in the Mevlevi order of Sufis use this Turkish bath because of this (association). Is this required?
(Laughter from both)
Salin Mankuzhy: Yes, yes!
Sri M: This also had been clearly stated that the whirling is not for all people, it is only for certain people with certain characteristics. He statedthat everyone need not do this. Now, all are whirling. First of all, the world itself is a “big head rotation”, along with that we too are whirling our head around!! Hence, what is not essential is given importance and what is essential is left out. This is the one answer for your earlier question.
Salin Mankuzhy: In daily life surrounded by the common daily problems, people want to escape and reach temple and Gurus easily. This is the present situation.
Sri M: According to me, in the present situation, occasionally we do require to be alone and in solitude. But, at the same time, we need to come back to the world and understand its realities. Only then, will we develop. Say, I am sitting in a cave, it is good to do certain Sadhanas (spiritual practices). Sitting alone and doing Sadhana there is good. Consider that I am in a cave doing Sadhana for last 10 yrs. Here I don’t mean ‘I’ personally. Just consider this.
Salin Mankuzhy: Yes.
Sri M: As a result, I feel now that I have changed. I am not angry and don’t have envy. My mind had changed. I start to feel so. Consider, I feel so. Now the question is of whom do I feel envy in a cave? No one is there. Why must anger come? Who is there for me to be angry at? No one is there. The real test is after 10 yrs, when I enter a bus and someone else get in and he steps on my leg, then I will know where my control over anger has reached. Similarly, where has my envy reached ? When someone comes wearing a gold watch, only then will we know. The actual testing ground is here. Going there, we can do the Sadhana part….
Salin Mankuzhy: The training ground is there.
Sri M: Yes, the testing ground is here. Only if we can live here, in this way, can we say we have become matured.
Salin Mankuzhy: Yes.
Sri M: So both (aspects) are important. Say busy executives, they all may go and stay a week in a certain resort. Why so? Since rest is required. But can they stay there permanently? Don’t they need to come back to their work? They require to come back and it’s then that these lessons have to be implemented. That’s the difference.
Salin Mankuzhy: Is detaching from the worldly life, including the family life, required for becoming a Yogi, Guru, or a person with Spiritual thejas or light?
Sri M: As I told you. Marriage, relationship – much before getting into all this – we need to train our mind. The mind has to be conditioned in childhood itself. After doing this, when we come to this field, then nothing (adverse) will happen. Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa used to say a simple thing. Before cutting and preparing the jackfruit, we apply oil so the hands won’t become sticky.
In these current times, we don’t have this training. Now in childhood itself, we are too exposed. Exposed to TV, Internet, this and that. So the mind has already been disturbed and is in chaos and confusion. In the earlier times, at a young age the person would either be a brahmachari (a young student/celibate) or would be going to a Madarassa to learn. Through this, the mind is disciplined. Nowadays, there is no such discipline. Nothing is offered in school. By this conditioning, the mind would be maturedin a small way. There is (greater) understanding and, then we can enter this field of relationships or worldliness. One MUST live in the worldly life, then only we become matured. No use of running away. The other aspect is, after all our duties and responsibilities are over and we feel enough – now someone else is there to carry these (responsibilities) forward. At that stage, comes Sanyasa. No use running away before that stage. Even if we go before this feeling (stage), it is of no use. We can come across people who took Sanyasa at young age. Their attire was changed but later they cannot come back to this life. Their life is a misery – half here, half there, a contradiction. A self- contradiction with which they cannot come back fearing, “What will people think!” So the better way, according to me, is live a normal life – this is my opinion. I could be wrong. This is what I feel.
Salin Mankuzhy: As a Guru, what is your message to the society? What is that you have to propose to us, to the people who follow you – the changes needed in their life?
Sri M: According to me, in this world, we cannot find completeness in life. As we know, there are lot of people, most have lot of money, estate, have four car’s etc. But is there any peace of mind? If there is peace of mind, why are they going to a Fakir who is sitting under a tree with a begging bowl? What do they seek from him? He has nothing with him. Yes, he has – peace of mind to give. The people who approach him have everything but don’t have peace of mind. Is it not? So, though we live in this world, ultimate satisfaction is illusive and, one day, death comes. We need to live with this understanding. Know that all people may have weaknesses like us. Instead of blaming others, find your own mistakes. If we live like this, adopting this method, it will help us both in spiritual and worldly life, to live in this world and move forward as a good citizen. This is my advice. For this, there is no need to change attire, no need to change anything, no need to change the place we stay in. We only need to change our Mind. In order to do that in a practical way– during our daily routine, we need to sit quietly in a place and take the mind inside. There may be requirement of a technique for this. Each individual may require a different method.
For example, if a person is born into a Muslim family, when he comes and requests that he needs to engage in some Sadhana or spiritual practice,that he wishes to quieten the mind, if I advise him to sit quietly and chant ‘Om NamahShivaya’ – he won’t be able to follow it. Then what to do? To them, I first ask if they do the Namaz 5 times? Some may say they don’t do so. If so, I tell them to first do that. By doing this for some time, the mind will begin to quieten. Later,there are few “Zikr” in Sufism that is given to them. Those are connected to breathing, hence those are selected.
When someone comes from another background, something that is suitable for him, according to his background, is advised. We don’t have a common formula. I don’t believe in a common formula. This is how I advice (on their Spiritual life).
Salin Mankuzhy: When it comes to lack of peace of mind, why should the spiritual masters alone provide answers? What about the common education system – the people who formulate the curriculum/syllabus, should they not do something about these matters?
Sri M: They are not doing. They don’t take care of these things. They are not bothered. What is our syllabus? How to find a job, how to get promotion or else lot of history? This and this happened in olden days. History can be looked upon in good way and in bad way. If History is taught in a good way, it is constructive – or else we will feel the need for revenge because someone did something in the olden days. This is all what we study. But what has to be included in the curriculum is “humanity.” What is referred to as Humanities nowadays is Social study and History. “How to live as a Human being is Humanity,” but there is no curriculum like that today. Thus we need to introduce such changes by influencing the government.
SalinMankuzhy: Along with this planting of saplings, is there a message? Is it a message?
Sri M: Yes.
SalinMankuzhy: Is it a part of protecting the environment, along with spirituality? How practical is the promotion of this?
Sri M:To a big extent, we can. It is just the beginning. Only after some time, we can say something about this, or assess how effective this is. This planting a sapling is called MyTree, and it is an initiative we have started. “MyTree” which can also be called “Maitri” has been started wherein someone sows a sapling and we hand it over to them to take care.A Tree is a symbol. Firstly, environmentally trees are necessary. More over, nurturing a small seed into a tree is a big thing. And, if this becomes a general attitude, then one day, in a similar way, we can nurture and bring up small kids too. Taking care of your own child is not a big thing. Even monkeys take care of their children – sometimes in a better way. We can see the mother jumps while holding the child on its abdomen. It is inbuilt in nature to take care of one’s own child, but when begin to take care of others’ children, then it is extraordinary.
Salin Mankuzhy: This is part of Manavikata or Manushayatwa…
Sri M: Yes. Hence planting a sapling is a symbol of this. It is environmentally beneficial, but is also a symbol of adopting another “Jeeva”, another being/life, and nurturing and bringing it up. It is a symbol of this.
Salin Mankuzhy: That is the perspective that should be nurtured. More than planting a tree, the attitude behind a seed being nurtured into a tree, has to be seen. Leaving aside the plant or the seed, is it not this attitude that the society needs to develop?
Sri M: Yes, that angle has to be encouraged. It is very important. That angle has to be promoted.
No one has the capacity of thinking through a matter completely. In the case of Yogi, there maybe a little difference. The signature of an expanded mind is that – there won’t be any issue in accepting useful suggestions given by another person; without rejecting that view, we must accept it. Just now somebody says some thing. Then you are thinking, “Who is this fellow to say something like this”. This will stop further suggestions or ideas. If the openness in one’s mind – that there is much more to know – is kept alive, then we will be able to accept more. Or else, we cannot accept new things.
Hence, what I say is that the ‘learning process’ is never going to be complete. It is a continuous flow. Sometimes, I may know certain things better than you, maybe you know certain things more than me. The readiness to accept this aspect is the sign of mind expansion, its signature. Lack of this understanding is behind most of the problems that we create.
Salin Mankuzhy: Earlier the foundation, family life, was very strong. But now in Kerala the divorce rates are increasing. More over, the new generation is not concerned; leaving the bond of marriage is not a big deal for them.
Sri M: That is a western style.
Salin Mankuzhy: What are the reasons for this new development? Leaving the good-old tradition and creating an environment of insecurity?
Sri M: What I feel is that, the institution of family, the concept of Joint family has changed now. Nowadays, it is difficult to sustain it too. Not like in the olden times. Another thing is that, in the new generation, the thinking is very different. They won’t be thinking in the same way. There is a generation gap. A safe way to avoid this is to stay separate. A less safe way is to sort it out, by thinking these issues through and by sitting down for dialogues and patching up.
But people follow the easy method. Following that leads to breakups. Ends in divorce. Animals don’t have marriage or divorce. Do they? But human beings, when they developed the society, they discovered that there are certain benefits for this, and the institution of marriage was constituted. In some religious systems, marrying and divorcing is not so difficult. If I don’t like, I can divorce. But, in some cultures, divorcing is considered wrong. Such conflicting concepts are there. Hence, the new generation faced with this confusion does not want all this. They don’t have the time to study/examine all this. And we can conclude only after studying or examining things. The main reason is that all are self-centered. Any foreign body in this self-centeredness is expelled. This is what happens. The only way out is to transform the mind to goodness. Any external reformation won’t help here. It won’t work.
Salin Mankuzhy: Earlier, you told about meditation with one-pointedness (Ekagrata). Does that mean sitting alone and thinking about a single thing or can Action ‘Pravriti’ become a one-pointed Meditation?
Sri M: Actionm if done with single-pointed attention becomes one-pointed meditation. But usually it is not done like this. It’s usually not possible… it is difficult.
The founder of Zen Buddhism, he was from South India, from Thanjavoor. It is he who took Buddhist teaching to China. It spread from there. There is a branch of Buddhism where meditation is given more importance. He was promoting that form of Buddhism. In China, it was promoted as “Dhyana Buddhism.” In Chinese,they cannot say Dayan, hence it became Chan. When this “Chan” went to Japan, it became “Zen”. He was a Big Yogi. Is not Buddha a big Yogi? The Asana in which Buddha is sitting is the Padmasana, so much so that in the West it is called Buddha poses. This Zen master in China was staying on a cliff. One day, 3 people came searching for him. Three youngsters. They came there after lot of roaming and searching for this master. Tired, hungry, it was lunchtimewhen they reached there and the Master was having soup. They did Namaskar and told him that they came to learn Zen. In Zen, the highest experience we refer to, like ‘Moksha’, is referred to as “Satori.” They expressed their wish to experience ‘Satori’. He told them he is having his soup. So they kept quiet for a while and then again asked for “Satori” and he said he is having his soup. When they asked a third time, then the Master called his attendant and told him to give them some soup. So all of them had a bowl, a spoon and some soup. When they started to have it, they felt how foolish they are. They had come in search of Satori and now they are having soup. (Laughter…) So they ask again, and the Zen Master says he is having his soup. Then, they felt angry and said, “We are also having soup, is it not? The Master said, “This is the problem. I am having my soup, I am having my soup. I am having my soup” is Zen. You are having your soup but thinking about Zen. This is not Zen.” So when you ask about one-pointedness. To get one-pointedness, along with action, it must be a work that we are interested in. It won’t come when forced. If we are thus engaged (in Action), it is a Meditation, it is Dhyana; it is one-pointedness. If this happens, it is a Meditation; it is Sadhana. But this state may not sustain always. For that, we can take some examples from different areas. Say an Artist,with complete inspiration, is painting. There won’t be any other thought; it is a form of Dhyana. When a poet writes poetry, his complete attention is in writing. This is Dhyana. When a river is flowing and we are looking at it without any other thought, it is Dhyana. This is a natural system of Meditation. However, when you are in office – amidst all sorts of distractions – and you still want to experience one-pointedness, then there are techniques. The technique here is to couple the mind with some action and so we connect it with the action of BREATH. The mind cannot be without any action. It is like vacuum. We cannot maintain vacuum, as air will immediately rush into it. Similarly, we cannot sit without any thought. So instead of focusing on thoughts from the outside, we substitute it with the thought of Breath. In order to do this, when we inhale and exhale, we give full attention to breath. So, the mind gets fully engaged but without thoughts from the outside. If this (process) is done for a while, the mind begins to cool down slowly, even though not fully. This is the beginning of a system (of Dhyana).
Salin Mankuzhy: In Dhyana, in one-pointedness, by practising it for a long period, there are people who do become learned (Jnani’s). How useful is the knowledge acquired by such a Jnani (sage) and his experience of Sayujya to the society in his lifetime?
Sri M: Yes.
Salin Mankuzhy: The Jnana, the knowledge he gets – can society in that present lifetime benefit by this? If not, what can society get from this?
Sri M: In some cases, he (Jnani) may not do so directly but he may prepare other people for this work. There may be other work that he needs to do in realms other than the ones we can visibly see in this world. So, for the worldly things, he can train suitable people to do it. In my case, this has been the case. Babaji, though he had social concerns, did not do any thing physically. But he took an idiot like me and trained (me). If there are Jnanisand they are not doing anything like this, then I don’t know if they are truly Jnanis or not.In the case ofRamana Maharishi, though did he not show overt social concerns, people who where associated with him did show social concerns. So his function was to sow the seeds in the hearts of such people who could do this. Then the rest is taken care of by them.
Salin Mankuzhy: People like Sree Narayan Guru did both.
Sri M: Yes, people like this are rare, very rare. All are not like that. What I feel is Narayana Guru’s function/ role itself was this. After reaching a stage (exalted), he physical transmitted it to humanity. It is a huge achievement. All cannot do so. Swami Vivekananda’s case is also similar. His Guru Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was not like that. But paving a way for a soul like Swami Vivekananda, it is not possible without someone like Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa..
Salin Mankuzhy: Women power or women empowerment is a term commonly used. Actually, woman is powerful – a Shakta. To give birth, to feed & nurture a child, only a woman can do it. Hence, no point inlabelling women powerless or Ashaktha.
Sri M: It is not so.
Salin Mankuzhy: Instead of using the word empowerment, how to bring her in the public domain, in an important position? Not saying in an equal position to men or anything. What is Sri M’s opinion in these matters?
Sri M: Yes, this is what I refer to as empowerment. Men think this is my field. Women have to be brought into those fields. We have to see how this can be enabled.
Salin Mankuzhy: But is it to bring women into those areas where men work or is it about recognising women as women and finding areas where they can excel, finding new areas where only they can work best or in which they are good?
Sri M: If we say so, it will be called as male chauvinism. It will be considered that we are not allowing them to come up using these excuses, and finding new excuses. We must allow them to enter these fields. Give them the freedom.
Salin Mankuzhy: By if we say give them freedom, it seems as if we are holding back their freedom.
Sri M: Is it not? Are we not controlling their freedom? Is it not true? (Laughter)
Salin Mankuzhy: Sthree. When we refer to women, how must they be in society? What is your view on this?
Sri M: They must have the capacity to sit and talk face to face, courageously. If this (capacity) is there, there is no need for anything else, the rest they will find for themselves. This is my opinion. We have to give them that courage.
Salin Mankuzhy: How to give this? When to give this?
Sri M: This must be given (trained) from childhood.
Salin Mankuzhy: Who must give this?
Sri M: The parents.
Salin Mankuzhy: Father and mother?
Sri M: Father, Mother and, later, the School teachers.
Salin Mankuzhy: I am very happy and grateful. Thank you.
Ashalatha: The world, which is formed by humanity, nature and beings, has to be lead by love, mutual trust and the principles of brotherhood. Hope the interview by SalinMankuzy with Sri M has opened the doorway for new information/inspiration for our dear listeners.